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Re: Who else owns 3 ST's?

Postby mbrST1100 » 23 Sep 2017, 12:03

I read you Allan
Circulating my ST's and the car for running arrants, just to move each once a week...

As for the missing keys/getting replacements:
No procedure enacted to simply order a spare by the VIN, *only* possible by the number on the little tag once received with the original keys on the *new* vehicle...

To get one barrell out, so a locksmith could "detect" the profile and fab a spare key, is a) pricey and b) leaves you likely with an imperfect copy, always requiring to jiggle it to get the thing open, closed or starting...

Already received a full set from a Dutch breaker for a bargain price, as well as the snap-off bolts that hold the ignition lock in the upper triple-tee...
Will have to start by unscrewing the bolts holding the chrome buckles above the footrests plate, which are locking the panniers in place.
Once their off I can pry the LH side panel away, to pull the mechanism for the seat latch with a piece of wire, then safely remove side covers and false tank to detach ignition lock connector, remove handlebar and upper triple-clamp, to then drill out mentioned snap bolts and remove/replace the bugger...
On tank lid and LHS compartment I'll try to pull the steel-clip holding the barrel from the inside...
3 out of 4 pannier buckles came open, but one is locked shut, so it will have to be cut with a Dr.Emel type tool; good that I've spares on the shelf

... transmitted from a CAT S60 thing ...
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Two Key Facts about ST1100 and Pan Locks

Postby David W » 23 Sep 2017, 20:06

mbrST1100 wrote:... As for the missing keys/getting replacements:
No procedure enacted to simply order a spare by the VIN, *only* possible by the number on the little tag once received with the original keys on the *new* vehicle...
To get one barrel out, so a locksmith could "detect" the profile and fab a spare key, is a) pricey and b) leaves you likely with an imperfect copy, always requiring to jiggle it to get the thing open, closed or starting...
Already received a full set from a Dutch breaker for a bargain price, as well as the snap-off bolts that hold the ignition lock in the upper triple-tree...
Will have to start by unscrewing the bolts holding the chrome buckles above the footrest's plate, which are locking the panniers in place.
Once they're off, I can pry the LH side panel away, to pull the mechanism for the seat latch with a piece of wire, then safely remove side covers and false tank to detach ignition lock connector, remove handlebar and upper triple-clamp, to then drill out mentioned snap bolts and remove/replace the bugger....
On tank lid and LHS compartment, I'll try to pull the steel-clip holding the barrel from the inside....
3 out of 4 pannier buckles came open, but one is locked shut, so it will have to be cut with a Dr.Emel type tool; good that I've spares on the shelf ....

Fact 1: Every OEM key and lock for an ST1100/A/P or Pan has stamped into its metal part a three character code that we can call the key number for that bike. The key numbers on a particular bike were all the same when that bike was built. The key number is obvious on the key but is generally hidden on the locks; and on the locks, the key number is part of a sequence of other characters, which tend to disguise it. If the key number of a key matches that of a lock, then the key will work that lock. Otherwise, that key will not work.

Procedure A for member mbrST1100:

Step 1: Examine the full set of ten locks you received from the Dutch breaker; look for letters and numbers stamped into the hidden, metal portion of each lock, usually on the dull, grey barrel.*

*NOTE: The stamping may well remain hidden until you "open" the lock.

Step 2. Once you find a sample of one of those letter/number sequences, write down the last three characters of that stamping. Those three characters should look like one of the following four forms:

Axx or
Bxx or
Cxx or
Dxx.

Call that form the "key number". (Four examples are: A12, B24, C35 and D59)

Step 3. If the sample lock gives you no key number, repeat Step 2 with a different sample from the full lock set you received.
(Do NOT tell anyone, except a locksmith, what your key number is.)

Step 4. Verify that all ten locks in your full lock set contain that same key number. If you also got keys with your full lock set, one of them may have that same key number stamped into its metal part, not into the handle of the key.
The keys that came with any new Pan both had the key number stamped into them that way. (The key number was also stamped into a little, metal tag that came with the new Pan's keys, as mbrST1100 said.)

Fact 2: Most Honda dealers and most locksmiths can create a working key for an ST1100 or Pan from the key number; they do not need an actual key. They will need to know the key blank model, and there are two possible blank models. Those two blank models seem to be common to many Honda motorbikes; so many locksmiths have both blank types in stock. The blank model number depends on the maker of the blanks. Honda blanks tend to cost more, but they can be ordered by telling the Honda dealer that the bike is a Pan/ST1100.

Procedure B for member mbrST1100:

Step 5: Open a pannier and detach at least one pannier lock by unscrewing the three small nuts from the inside of the pannier. Thus, remove at least one of the open, unlocked locks from a pannier (or from any lock elsewhere on your new, black Pan). Remove the "C" clip from the pannier lock so that you can remove the latch portion, and inspect the lock barrel. Inspect any such lock barrels as described in Steps 1, 2 and 3 above, for the key number of the lock.

Step 6: Once you have the valid key number from any one of your bike's locks, you have several options for obtaining a proper key for your bike. But before proceeding, use the Pan keys, or key numbers, that you have from your
other Pans to determine the proper key blank model for your new, black bike's locks. If a key penetrates a Pan lock, then the blank is the right one for that lock even though the key will not unlock that lock. Or, if you have a key number from one of your other Pans, read this: All key numbers starting with the letter A or B use the same blank. And all keys starting with a C or D use the same blank. There are only two possible blank models, type A-B, and type C-D.

Step 7: Telephone a Honda dealer or locksmith to verify Fact 2 above, over the telephone. Take at least one lock from your new, black Pan; take at least one key that is the right blank for that lock; take the key number you found on that lock; and visit the locksmith or Honda dealer to purchase, or at least to order, your first working key for your new, black Pan's old locks.

(If you have no plans to re-use the locks that came installed on your new Pan, you can safely post here the key number of those locks. Maybe someone here will buy those locks from you, especially if you tell them that key number.
Or, maybe someone here can post you the proper key for the old locks that came installed on your new, black Pan.)

Step 8: The procedure described in the quotation is much too hard. Once you have access to the bottom of the ignition lock, verify that the two bolts near there are socket head with a "star" shaped socket in each of them. Locate the proper "Torx" or "star" bit for those two socket head bolts. Their size is T35 or T40, going only by memory. (They were factory installed using a thread locking compound on their threads, so the correct tool is generally needed to slacken them.)
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And I've found that most liter size Pans, when warmed up, cook well.
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Re: Who else owns 3 ST's?

Postby alans1100 » 24 Sep 2017, 02:00

As for the missing keys; any decent locksmith would be able to make up a key;

I have a couple of spare lock barrels from a side case I acquired to replace the damaged one on the bike. Swapping them over was quite easy.
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Re: Who else owns 3 ST's?

Postby John OoSTerhuis » 24 Sep 2017, 04:54

Martin, you may remember this:
ST1100 IGNITION KEY CODES
http://www.st-riders.net/index.php?topic=1861

FWIW,

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Re: Who else owns 3 ST's?

Postby mbrST1100 » 24 Sep 2017, 16:31

It seems to have gone unnoticed that the complete lock-set, incl keys had already arrived...

Removed all as described above, took air-box off to temporarily connect the donated ignition lock to test the circuits...

Well, engine is hot...
Quite unexpected, actually startled me that it did fire...
Stank the place up quite good as the fuel is stale, but tank was filled to the neck, no rust at all...

Checked the rear end, drive spline is toast, ring-gear of the final-drive is OK though <phew!!>
Every cavity in there was filled/clogged with some weird, cream-white, probably vegan, gluten free, Amish certified substance, that had hardened like crystallized bee's honey, which also somehow caused the O-rings to swell and expand their diameter...
Took some efforts to clean that mess out...

Head bearings are due, wheel bearings appear OK, brakes work but require some TLC for smooth operation, RHS rotor is down to 4.15mm (4.0 is wear limit)...

Valve cover gaskets are seeping (probably never been replaced), coolant thermostat shows dried traces of leakage, will pull the carbs anyway to address the elbow-issue as well... probably check valve clearance while at it...

The replacement ignition lock had a stuck steering-lock pin, so the thing received full cleaning, lubrication and service of the switch-plate... done.

Already placed quite an order at DS, will have to add splines and O-rings now ImageImageImage

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Re: Who else owns 3 ST's?

Postby mbrST1100 » 24 Sep 2017, 20:26

John OoSTerhuis wrote:Martin, you may remember this:
ST1100 IGNITION KEY CODES
http://www.st-riders.net/index.php?topic=1861

Thanx John,
for my area the P/N for the key would be 35121-MT3-610 for having the [Pan-European] logo 8-)
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Re: Who else owns 3 ST's?

Postby mbrST1100 » 30 Sep 2017, 18:48

Busy afternoon...
Replaced head-bearings
Replaced the ignition lock
Overhauled brake systems
Replaced clutch fluid...ImageImageImage

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Re: Who else owns 3 ST's?

Postby David W » 30 Sep 2017, 20:35

mbrST1100 wrote:... Well, engine is hot.... Quite unexpected, actually startled me that it did fire....
Stank the place up quite good as the fuel is stale, but ....

Have you given your new Pan a name yet?

You could always call it STinky, or STinker.
'Tis not its looks, but how it cooks.
And I've found that most liter size Pans, when warmed up, cook well.
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Re: Who else owns 3 ST's?

Postby John OoSTerhuis » 01 Oct 2017, 18:22

:bigpop:

Good luck, Martin!
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Re: Who else owns 3 ST's?

Postby mbrST1100 » 01 Oct 2017, 19:32

Yes John,

one doesn't need to be pretty, some luck will do...

The small lock-barrells work with like 4 coding clips/pins, leaving like 1500 possible combinations...
Now guess what...
The key from the lock-set actually​ fits, no mods required...

Carb boots were hardened rock solid, can't remember the last time I'd to pry out the carb bank with a broomstick, or use a tire iron to get them off the inlet manifolds...

Down in the valley, the usual findings...
Bypass tube crumbled to pieces on touch, etc...

Engine oil & filter
Final drive oil
Rest upon parts delivery...

And: I got a buyer!
Good friend of mine, so she'll have a nice home.

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