The First Two Pairs of Pan Models

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The First Two Pairs of Pan Models

Postby David W » 09 Jun 2014, 02:38

The first two Pan "models" were a pair of L models; their model year was 1990. One of those Pan models was imported only by Spain; we can call it the 1990 Spanish Pan L model. The other Pan model of the pair was built in ten "versions" to serve ten European markets. Three of those markets, as examples, are:
Austria
United Kingdom
European Direct (or ED).

For now we can call that other model the 1990 non-Spanish Pan L model, but in a different thread we are asking whether anyone knows of a better name. This post is mainly about that model. (For the other thread, see Earlier Pans: Models were built paired; and one was shared. For more about the Spanish model, see the next post below.)

Of those two Pan models, the non-Spanish model was started first, in 1989, with the building of the first ED version, which has an (old-style) frame number of
SC26-2000021. The first Austrian version of that model has a frame number of
SC26-2000038 ; and the first UK version of it is number
SC26-2000063 . Of those three markets, the Austrian version was finished first with the building of frame number
SC26-2002951 . The ED version was later finished with the building of
SC26-2005833 . And all production of L models (including 1990 ST1100L models) ended in about July, 1990 with the building of the last UK version, which has a frame number of
SC26-2005860 .

Notice that all six of the sample frame numbers above have the same form of SC26-200xxxx. The same is true of the other seven versions (of the non-Spanish model) which are not illustrated above. Because all of those old-style frame numbers differ only in their last four digits xxxx, we can say all ten versions are versions of the same model.

In summary, Austria and the UK did not receive their own 1990 Pan L models; instead, they imported their own versions of a common or shared model we are calling the 1990 non-Spanish Pan L model.
The old-style frame numbers given above allow us to count how many Pans there were in the 1990 non-Spanish Pan L model. There were 5860 minus 0021 plus one, or 5840 of them. For more about how to count bikes in a Pan or ST1100 model, see the archived thread Getting a Handle on the the Pan Production Picture on page viewtopic.php?f=68&t=12466&p=162120&hilit=pan+production#p162120 .
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The First Pair of Pan Models included a Spanish Pan model.

Postby David W » 20 Jun 2014, 01:34

The post above is mostly about the first non-Spanish Pan model. This post is about the first Spanish Pan model, the 1990 Spanish Pan L model. (Together, those two L models form the first pair of Pan models.)

The Pans produced for that Spanish model have, not old-style frame numbers like are posted above, but Vehicle Identification Numbers (or VINs) of a sort. The VIN of the first Spanish Pan is:

JH2SC269*0M000002. The VIN of the last Pan produced for that model is:
JH2SC269*0M000601. In both VINs shown, the asterisk(*) is a placeholder for a "check digit" which is unknown to me but is of little interest here.

So there were 0601 minus 0002 plus one, or 600 Pans in that Spanish model. One of those Pans has a VIN of
JH2SC269*0M000021 . Compare that with a similar, old-style frame number given as an example in the above post:
SC26-2000021 . Those two numbers differ greatly, so they must be from different "models". But all the Spanish VINs have the form JH2SC269*0M00xxxx . They differ only in their last three digits (and possibly in their check digits). So all such VINs are from the same model, namely the 1990 Spanish Pan L model.

Once again, there were a pair of Pan models for model year 1990, or year code L. This post has been about the Spanish model; the above post has been about the non-Spanish model.
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Where am I getting all these frame numbers? The Spanish ones come from the following page of a Dutch Honda site:
http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-st1100-pan-e ... partslist/
The non-Spanish ones (labeled Austrian, ED, and UK) come from the following three pages there:
http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-st1100-pan-e ... partslist/
http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-st1100-pan-e ... partslist/
http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-st1100-pan-e ... partslist/
Most of the frame numbers can also be found in the Clymer manual, near the front in a table called Table 2 .
And getting very technical: What is "wrong" with, or strange about, the Spanish VINs shown above?

Answer: They do not contain the year code, which is L for this model. Normally a VIN has the year code as its tenth character. These have a zero (0) there.
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Re: The Word "Version"

Postby David W » 27 Jun 2014, 02:57

I found the following quote in a 1999 publication by American Honda:

"Area Code - represents special model versions designed for use in a specific country. Within the U.S. the area code represents specific states such as California and Iowa."

It appears that the term "versions of a model" is correct when describing the bikes built for Austria and the UK during the earlier years.
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Re: The Word "Version"

Postby mbrST1100 » 30 Jun 2014, 17:39

David W wrote:"Area Code - represents special model versions designed for use in a specific country."

My (hard-copy) '92 parts catalogue refers as follows:
Parts with area codes are exclusive for models destined for countries designated.
If no area codes are listed, parts are for common use.


Interestingly do the there given frame No for the L model differ sightly from your findings:
Engine No SC26E-2000057~2003527, frame No SC26-2000038~2002951 (ST1100L, AR)
Engine No SC26E-2000082~2006870, frame No SC26-2000063~2005860 (ST1100L, E (UK))
Engine No SC26E-2000034~2006813, frame No SC26-2000021~2005833 (ST1100L, ED)
Engine No SC26E-2000453~2006453, frame No SC26*OM000002~OM000601 (ST1100L, SP)
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Re: The First Two Pan Models

Postby David W » 01 Jul 2014, 02:55

mbrST1100 wrote:
David W wrote:... Interestingly do the there given frame No for the L model differ slightly from your findings:
Engine No SC26E-2000057~2003527, frame No SC26-2000038~2002951 (ST1100L, AR)
Engine No SC26E-2000082~2006870, frame No SC26-2000063~2005860 (ST1100L, E (UK))
Engine No SC26E-2000034~2006813, frame No SC26-2000021~2005833 (ST1100L, ED)
Engine No SC26E-2000453~2006453, frame No SC26*OM000002~OM000601 (ST1100L, SP)
Martin and all,
You have both engine numbers and frame numbers listed above. In this thread, I listed frame numbers only. And I see no difference between your frame numbers and those I listed.
David W wrote:... the first ED version, which has an (old-style) frame number of
SC26-2000021. The first Austrian version of that model has a frame number of
SC26-2000038 ; and the first UK version of it is number
SC26-2000063 . ... the Austrian version was finished first with the building of frame number
SC26-2002951 . The ED version was later finished with the building of
SC26-2005833 . ... the last UK version, which has a frame number of
SC26-2005860 .
David W wrote:... This post is about the first Spanish Pan model, the 1990 Spanish Pan L model.
The VIN of the first Spanish Pan is:
JH2SC269*0M000002. The VIN of the last Pan produced for that model is:
JH2SC269*0M000601.

In that second quote, VINs are referred to. But VINs are stamped into the frame and are therefore also known as frame numbers.
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Re: The First Two Pan Models

Postby mbrST1100 » 01 Jul 2014, 18:07

[quote="David W"]And I see no difference between your frame numbers and those I listed. [quote="David W"]

Look again David:

The listing in my Parts Catalogue:
Frame No SC26-2000038~2002951 (ST1100L, AR) Austrian Version
Frame No SC26-2000063~2005860 (ST1100L, E (UK)) English/UK Version
Frame No SC26-2000021~2005833 (ST1100L, ED) European Direct Version
Frame No SC26*OM000002~OM000601 (ST1100L, SP) Spanish Version

The listing of your source (CMSNL):
SC26-2000021. The first Austrian version of that model has a frame number of
SC26-2000038 ; and the first UK version of it is number
SC26-2000063 . ... the Austrian version was finished first with the building of frame number
SC26-2002951 . The ED version was later finished with the building of
SC26-2005833 . ... the last UK version, which has a frame number of

In my book the AR Version starts with ~38, your source lists that to UK
My book lists the E (UK) Version starting with ~63, your source IDs that No as "end of Austrian Version"...??
etc...

So one of them sources has the lines/data crossed up...

I've included a *.pdf scan of the relevant page for your enjoyment.
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Re: The First Two Pan Models

Postby David W » 02 Jul 2014, 02:58

Martin and all, I put my description first; then I put the frame number on the next line, in order to have all the frame numbers at the start of the line. In my next post, I spread things out more, for clarity.
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Clarified Description of the Non-Spanish Pan Model

Postby David W » 02 Jul 2014, 17:30

Thank you, Martin and all.
mbrST1100 wrote:Interestingly do the there given frame No for the L model differ slightly from your findings..../quote]
mbrST1100 wrote:Look again David:
In my book the AR Version starts with ~38; your source lists that to UK.
My book lists the E (UK) Version starting with ~63; your source IDs that No as "end of Austrian Version"...?? etc...
So one of those sources has the lines/data crossed up...
It is time to clarify my initial post above; I want it to be clear enough to maybe post it over on one other Pan-European site. So here again is a review of the 1990 non-Spanish L model:

The ... [non-Spanish] Pan model ... was built in ten "versions" to serve ten European markets. Three of those markets, as examples, are:
Austria
United Kingdom
European Direct (or ED).

... the non-Spanish model was started ... with the building of the first ED version, which has an (old-style) frame number of
SC26-2000021 .
The first Austrian version of that model has a frame number of
SC26-2000038 .
And the first UK version of it is number
SC26-2000063 .
Of those three markets, the Austrian version was finished first with the building of frame number
SC26-2002951 .
The ED version was later finished with the building of
SC26-2005833 .
And all production of L models (including 1990 ST1100L models) ended in about July, 1990 with the building of the last UK version, which has a frame number of
SC26-2005860 .

Now we can compare those above six frame numbers by listing them all together:

SC26-2000021
SC26-2000038
SC26-2000063
SC26-2002951
SC26-2005833
SC26-2005860
.
Notice that all six of the sample frame numbers above have the same form of SC26-200xxxx. The same is true of the other seven versions (of the non-Spanish model) which are not illustrated above. Because all of those old-style frame numbers differ only in their last four digits xxxx, we can say all ten versions are versions of the same model, namely, the 1990 non-Spanish L model.

In summary, Austria and the UK did not receive their own 1990 Pan L models; instead, they imported their own versions of a common or shared model we are calling the 1990 non-Spanish Pan L model.
The old-style frame numbers given above allow us to count how many Pans there were in the 1990 non-Spanish Pan L model.
SC26-2005860 was the last one;
SC26-2000021 was the first one.
So there were 5860 minus 0021 plus one, or 5840 of them. For more about how to count bikes in a Pan or ST1100 model, see the archived thread Getting a Handle on the the Pan Production Picture on page
viewtopic.php?f=68&t=12466&p=162120&hilit=pan+production#p162120 .
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The Second Pair of Pan Models

Postby David W » 08 Sep 2014, 02:46

The second pair of Pan models was built for model year code M and model year 1991.

I will describe that pair using the term NEST Pan, which stands for Non-spanish, Earlier ST1100-type Pan.
(And here, the word "earlier" means before model year 1996 and before year code T.)

Those two models were and are:

The 1991 NEST Pan M model
The 1991 Spanish Pan M model.

Both were plain Pans, meaning no ABS/TCS. And the NEST model was (again) built in ten versions, including both an Austrian and a UK version.

Those NEST Pans were identified by old-style frame numbers of the form
SC26-210xxxx .

Those Spanish Pans were identified by newer-style Vehicle Identification Numbers (VINs) of the form
JH2SC269*0M10xxxx where the asterisk(*) is a placeholder for a check digit; every VIN has one of those.
(SC26-210xxxx is repeated from above so one can compare it to the VIN form just above it.)
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Re: The First Two Pairs of Pan Models

Postby kep-upc1 » 08 Sep 2014, 11:44

Does anybody really care??
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