European, if you can, do a scan of your T or later model Pan

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Accessing a STeering STem using the Down Under Approach

Postby David W » 14 Nov 2013, 03:48

We get in front of the Pan/ST1100.
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We approach it from down under its headlight.
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We move in closer. and as we look up from our Down Under position, on our first attempt we are at the center, and there is a black bar (part of the Cowl Stay) right in front of the STeering STicker.
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(Continued in my next post just below.)
'Tis not its looks, but how it cooks.
And I've found that most liter size Pans, when warmed up, cook well.
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Access from Down Under (continued from the post just above)

Postby David W » 14 Nov 2013, 03:57

Continued from the post just above this one. We are located in front of the Pan, down under by its front wheel, and are looking up into the inside of its fairing.

Moving to the right of center (or the left side of the ST), we can see its VIN and model year (1995) on its sticker, but no little, white rectangle that might have its month of manufacture.
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Moving to the left, however, that little, white rectangle comes into view in the upper, left part of its label.
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Focusing on that black sticker, we have located the little, white rectangle that contains build dating on this USA model; see the next photo below for that view.
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(Continued in the second post below, in the post just below Forest's.)
'Tis not its looks, but how it cooks.
And I've found that most liter size Pans, when warmed up, cook well.
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Re: European, if you can, do a scan of your T or later model

Postby Forest 1100 » 14 Nov 2013, 09:01

Not sure I followed that . . . . can you run that by me again? :twisted:
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Access from Down Under (continued from two posts above)

Postby David W » 14 Nov 2013, 23:51

Forest 1100 wrote:Not sure I followed that . . . . can you run that by me again?

Forest and all, thanks for your feedback.

There was a duplicate photo up there by mistake, in my post that is just above Forest's. (That duplicate has now been removed, in order to clear things up. I also added a photo that was referred to but was missing originally.)
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Continuing from the post just above the one Forest made above, we grab a magnifying glass and then try to move in closer to (in this case) that little, white rectangle we spotted in the upper, left corner of the sticker.
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We zoom in STill closer.
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If the lighting is poor inside the fairing there, we might want to shine some extra light down from above. (See the next photo below, in which the lighting was poor, so light was added from the top.)
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We can even read that month/year of build (that is in the little, white rectangle) in the dark if someone shines some light down on it from above; to see that, click on download/file.php?id=598 .

Thus, this 1995 USA ST1100A was built in 10/94, or October, 1994.
'Tis not its looks, but how it cooks.
And I've found that most liter size Pans, when warmed up, cook well.
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Accessing the STeering Plate from Up Over

Postby David W » 24 Nov 2013, 00:56

To peer down at the STeering STicker or plate from above, we first get on the right side of the bike because it is a USA model in this example, and the month/year of build is on that side.
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We move closer to the dark opening which is to the right of the handlebar cover in the next photo.
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The black and white steering sticker (or VIN plate) is visible behind one black hose and is more or less to the bottom left of a red, fairing piece shown in the next photo.
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(Continued in next post below.)
'Tis not its looks, but how it cooks.
And I've found that most liter size Pans, when warmed up, cook well.
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Accessing the STeering Plate from Up Over (continued)

Postby David W » 25 Nov 2013, 03:36

Continuing from the post just above, we then turn the ST1100's bar fully anti-clockwise. To see the result, please click on:
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The steering sticker is now visible in the dark opening.
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With more light:
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Moving in closer, we see the month/date white rectangle.
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'Tis not its looks, but how it cooks.
And I've found that most liter size Pans, when warmed up, cook well.
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Re: European, if you can, do a scan of your T or later model

Postby David W » 17 May 2014, 20:54

flookyk1100 wrote:... my bike was a 1999 (V reg) not a 1998 so the V5 Reg date was Oct 1999 not Oct 1998 ...

Keith and all,

I should have known from the start that your former Pan had a "Honda model year" of 1999 because you posted its "model year code" as the letter X. Thanks for your informative posting about that Pan.

(Mistakes as to the Honda model year are not uncommon, but they can always be sorted out if the member gives the model year code as well. For more on that, see the posts in a different thread called Various Version of our Vocabulary of Vintage, especially those dated
29 April 2014 on page viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13428&start=30 and then summed up on
10 May 2014 on page viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13428&start=40 .)
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And I've found that most liter size Pans, when warmed up, cook well.
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Re: European, if you can, do a scan of your T or later model

Postby David W » 29 Jun 2014, 23:25

David W wrote:...Europeans and all,
If a European Pan has the month/year of manufacture on it, that will probably be in small letters next to the rivet, as in Alan's photo above.... [But] Since someone has already looked at a UK Pan's plate, we do not expect to find a build month on any UK Pan. So we are looking now for an owner of a code T or later (1996 or later) Pan who is on the Continent of Europe.
Cammy ST11 wrote:Dave ... If I get the chance I will look at mine tomorrow and try and upload a picture. I will also try and explain our registration process in relation to build dates and the conceived 'year' of the bike. FYI the bike is a 1100y non abs.

Cammy and all,

Sorry for the interruption. Cammy has given us his "year code" as the letter Y. That means his "Honda model year" is 2000 even though that year is unlikely to be found on his Pan's labels.

I estimate that his Pan was built in the second half of 1999, just prior to the building of ST1100 Y models for North America. But the year 1999 is again not likely to be found on his bike's labels; certainly the actual month of manufacture (such as 08/99) would be even more unexpected.

His license plate code is not needed here because we have viewers from all over the world; that code could be confused with his year code Y. If his government has assigned a "year" to his Pan, that year is not needed here, either. (But it could be posted in the UK forum. It is the Honda model year or year code that is used to fetch a parts list. Want details?)

By the way, we are still looking for a rider on the Continent with a T or later model Pan.
And I have yet to see any Pan that is labeled with its build year, or year of manufacture.
'Tis not its looks, but how it cooks.
And I've found that most liter size Pans, when warmed up, cook well.
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European, if you can, do a scan of your T or later model Pan

Postby David W » 07 Sep 2014, 23:15

David W wrote:... By the way, we are still looking for a rider on the Continent with a T or later model Pan.
And I have yet to see any Pan that is labeled with its build year, or year of manufacture.
I know of only two Pan riders on the continent. One of them has a Y model but apparently has not scanned its steering plate yet for build date information.

The other Pan owner may have a 1300 Pan; I see nothing about a model in the Profile. And we should not bother him at this time.

If we conclude there is no build dating to be found on any Pan 1100, then owners of such will have to look to a North American owner of an ST1100 that is the equivalent model. Such an NA owner has their ST's month of manufacture. The Pan owner would then assume that the Pan was built just prior to the equivalent NA ST1100. In this way, one can estimate the build year of any Pan. (But again, build year is not the same as the Honda model year one gets from decoding the year code. That is not a valid shortcut and, in fact, will give an incorrect result.)

For example a Y model is Honda model year 2000. If it is in the northern hemisphere, it was probably built in the second half of 1999. (If Aussie, some have said that it must have been built in year 2000. And I do not know if Pan 1300 owners have been surveyed about this build dating matter yet.)
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And I've found that most liter size Pans, when warmed up, cook well.
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Re: European, if you can, do a scan of your T or later model

Postby mbrST1100 » 08 Sep 2014, 14:13

David W wrote:One of them has a Y model but apparently has not scanned its steering plate yet for build date information.

No, I've other things to do in my life :P
Maybe I "feel" for it on the trip to Paris at the end of this month, cause then I'll have cam and bike joined...
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