Only eleven parts for S models, but ALL such worldwide

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Only eleven parts for S models, but ALL such worldwide

Postby David W » 05 Oct 2013, 02:56

The proposed topic here consists of only a few bike parts, and only on S models of the Pan/ST1100 Line. But there were multiple types (ABS, non-ABS, etc.) of S models, and we want to make this discussion as global as possible.

Using Honda's terminology, an S model is a 1995 model, and some of the few parts to look at are in the charging system and the ABS, if so equipped.
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I will start this off with the 1995 USA ABS model. (There was only one such.)

In its charging system, the "28 ampere" alternator consists mainly of these two parts (listed under ALTERNATOR '95):

1. CASE, ALTERNATOR; part number 31133-MT3-003, and
2. COVER ASSY., ALTERNATOR; part number 31130-MT3-003.

This S model has a separate rectifier/voltage regulator (listed under ST1100A Wire harness):
3. RECTIFIER ASSY., REGULATE; part number (not that there was ever more than one such) 31600-MS2-601.

And finally, this S model has an ABS control module (listed under ST1100A COWL STAY '95):
4. CONTROL UNIT, ABS; part number 38600-MY3-781.
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Who in Europe has an interest in ABS models and will provide the same info on a '95 Pan ST1100A?
Who in Australia will?
Who wants to do a non-ABS S model?
(Thanks in advance.)
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Re: Only a few parts for S models, but all such worldwide

Postby alans1100 » 05 Oct 2013, 06:42

The same parts apply for ABS types from 92 to 95 inclusive so why just pick "S" or year 1995 ? The same applies to the base model as well.
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Re: Only a few parts for S models, but all such worldwide

Postby David W » 05 Oct 2013, 23:54

alans1100 wrote:The same parts apply for ABS types from '92 to '95 inclusive; so why just pick "S" or year 1995 ? The same applies to the base model as well.

I do not think there was an Australian ABS model from model years 1992 to 1994, or codes N, P and R. But the main reason for choosing 1995 is that '95 here in the US was the last year when the part numbers shown above were valid. (We eventually want to compare 1995 to 1996 worldwide for that reason. 1995-'96 is a clear transition period, especially for the ABS model.)
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Using the Dutch site cmsnl.com , three of the four parts are the same for the '95 Aussie ST1100AS as above for the 1995 USA ABS model. Those three Aussie parts are:

1. Case, A.c.generator; part number 31133-MT3-003.
2. COVER Assembly.,A.C.G; part number 31130-MT3-003.
3. RECTIFIER ASSY.,R; part number 31600-MS2-601.
(There is no info available on that site for the fourth part, the ABS control module.)

So it appears that the Aussie ST1100AS was built from about the same parts list as the 1995 USA ST1100ALS. That seems a bit strange since the USA ST1100A was built in 10/94, and the Aussie ST1100A was built sometime in 1995.
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Is that also true for the S model Pan ST1100A or ST1100AS of Europe?
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Re: Only a few parts for S models, but all such worldwide

Postby alans1100 » 06 Oct 2013, 00:54

Depends on where your getting you're info from.

Try here http://www.st-1100.com/st1100as.html as that's the most comprehensive site I've seen on the 1100.

If there's a variation for a particular region/country then he will show a list of countries and you select where you live otherwise any given part number etc. applies globally.

This as an example http://www.st-1100.com/st1100-parts-fic ... 100as.html

The ABS control module is item 14 here http://www.st-1100.com/st1100-parts-fic ... 100as.html but you show the part number in your first post.
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Re: Only a few parts for S models, but all such worldwide

Postby David W » 07 Oct 2013, 01:24

I get my part numbers for USA models from http://www.PowerSportsPro.com , an American Honda dealer.
I get my non-USA part numbers from the Dutch Honda site http://www.cmsnl.com, mentioned in my second post. (Alan's preferred site seems to be created by an ST1100 rider, but it seems efficient for locating regional differences.)
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I would now add a fifth part to look at because our part number 4, the ABS control module, is not listed for the '95 Australian ST1100AS above. That fifth part is the rear, ABS "modulator". For the USA '95 ST1100A, it is listed under ST1100A ABS MODULATOR '95 and is:

5. MODULATOR ASSY., RR. ABS (NISSIN); part number 57100-MY3-782.

For an Australian ST1100AS, it is listed under Abs Modulator (st1100as) and is the same part:

5. Modulator Assy.,r; part number 57100-MY3-782, which is the same as the '95 USA ST1100ALS.
Dave W II wrote:So it appears that the Aussie ST1100AS was built from about the same parts list as the 1995 USA ST1100ALS. That seems a bit strange since the USA ST1100A was built in 10/94, and the Aussie ST1100A was built sometime in 1995.
How strange it seems depends on when in 1995 the Aussie ST1100AS was built. We do not have a sample build month for that Aussie model, so in the meantime, we can leave the details to Aussie owners to ponder.*
Using Alan's ST-1100.com site gives the same result even for all five parts, including part number 4, as Alan noted.
alans1100 wrote:... The ABS control module is item 14 here http://www.st-1100.com/st1100-parts-fic ... 100as.html but you show the part number in your first post.
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We seem to feel that the (1995) Pan European ST1100AS also uses the same parts (which we now number 1 through 5) as the corresponding USA and Australian models. Even if that is true, it does not tell us whether the European system for describing the vintage or age of an ST is like that of North America or the somewhat different system of Australia. We therefore have no results from this thread which are useful in the other, vintage thread here called Various Versions of our Vocabulary of Vintage. (So I will see you there concerning a different approach to Europe.)
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*(We do have a build month for a 1999 Aussie ST1100AX; it is 06/99. It would be interesting to compare selected parts on it to a 1999 and 2000 USA ST1100A, which were probably built in '98 and '99, respectively. The parts selected should be some that change from 1999 to 2000 on the USA model. I do not know of any such parts off hand; there were only a few. Again, let the Aussies pursue this sort of thing if they are interested.)
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Re: Only a few parts for S models, but all such worldwide

Postby Forest 1100 » 07 Oct 2013, 01:48

Maybe we should move on to more lessons to be learned by the side of the road on those moonlit nights now? ;)
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Re: Only a few parts for S models, but all such worldwide

Postby alans1100 » 07 Oct 2013, 02:10

The only thing you seem not to have noticed is the build sequence for any given model/year.

It's entirely possible that the US bikes are built first so a 95 model for the rest of the world could be built in late 1994 for the US market. It make sense to supply the larger market first and then work down the list.

It seems to be the way from what's on this page http://www.st-1100.com/motorcycle.html
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Re: Only a few parts for S models, but all such worldwide

Postby WJBertrand » 07 Oct 2013, 03:07

What is the purpose of this VIN obsession Dave?
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Re: Only a few parts for S models, but all such worldwide

Postby David W » 10 Oct 2013, 21:30

alans1100 wrote:... you seem not to have noticed ... the build sequence for any given model/year.

It's entirely possible that the US bikes are built first, so a '95 model for the rest of the world could be built in late 1994 for the US market. It make sense to supply the larger market first and then work down the list.

It seems to be the way from what's on this page http://www.st-1100.com/motorcycle.html


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Honda may have put Australia "down the list" relative to the USA, for some years like 1990. As for as I can tell, the USA was down the list relative to all of Europe during the first production run in 1989-1990. The same pecking order (for Europe and the US) probably happened for later years.

On Alan's '99 ST1100AX built in June, 1999, it seems to me that Honda may have put such STs at the top of the list and then produced year 2000 models for the USA (and probably also for Europe even before those USA STs) using essentially the same parts list as they used on the '99 Aussie models. (If so, the nearest USA relative of Alan's ST would be a 2000 ST1100ALY, not a 1999 ST1100ALX.)
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Re: Only a few parts for S models, but all such worldwide

Postby David W » 04 Jul 2014, 02:54

So far, we have looked at five parts of the 1995 Pan/ST1100AS , or ABS equipped S models. (No one has yet looked at parts for the police or plain/standard 1995 S models.)
Four of those five parts are listed here:
David W wrote:1. CASE, ALTERNATOR; part number 31133-MT3-003 ;
2. COVER ASSY., ALTERNATOR; part number 31130-MT3-003 .
3. RECTIFIER ASSY., REGULATE; part number 31600-MS2-601.
4. CONTROL UNIT, ABS; part number 38600-MY3-781.

The fifth part. along with a preliminary result, is listed here:
David W wrote:5. MODULATOR ASSY., RR. ABS (NISSIN); part number 57100-MY3-782.
We seem to feel that the (1995) Pan European ST1100AS also uses the same parts (which we now number 1 through 5) as the corresponding USA and Australian models.
Alan in South Australia pointed us to a web site that makes it very efficient to look for part variations, if any, in the global picture. Using that site, the above five part numbers seem universal for a '95 ST1100AS or '95 ABS Pan S model. (The name of the part may vary depending on location, but the part number has been the same.)
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