26A genny toast ('94 ST1100)

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Re: 26A genny toast ('94 ST1100)

Postby mbrST1100 » 23 Jun 2013, 12:14

Andi Archer wrote:Damn you do have an eventful riding style :lol:

LOL! My very own '00 ST runs like a Swiss clock, literally boring... 8-)
But with that old '94 I obviously inherited quite a pile of maintenance neglect/errors, so I'd not be astonished to find the bits of a broken washer or such in there... :roll:

While chatting with that MOT inspector (a department of road assistance service) we also figured out what color of reflective materials is 'legal' for side markings over here: yellow/amber...

So what's the opinion?
Front only one yellow line (below the edge of the access covers), or more, like a second one on the 'ridge' below the rear views?
And one on them pannier lids? Right in the middle or more downward/close above the ST1100 badge? From leveling it rather should be located on the gray bottom part, but will the Scotchlite film stick on the rough surface there?
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Re: 26A genny toast ('94 ST1100)

Postby Andi Archer » 23 Jun 2013, 20:14

If its the lower option you could make some sort of backing plate to mount the reflectives to, painted in the background colour they should not be too noticable.
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Re: 26A genny toast ('94 ST1100)

Postby Pan Rider Jack » 23 Jun 2013, 21:41

The only way scotchlite type tape will stick to the grey bits is with a pre-backing adhesive coating being put on first, bit like the way contact adhesive is put on the two items to be matched, allowed to set and then contacted together, if done properly then will remain stuck for a long time, get it wrong and you will spend a long time trying to clean it off to replace it.
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Re: 26A genny toast ('94 ST1100)

Postby martin_b » 24 Jun 2013, 18:55

'Not sure what you mean, exactly, by "... HUH?! Still 11,8V in there?? Now that's odd...". Did you expect less? Remember that a fully discharged lead/acid battery is 11.9 volts, give or take a tiny bit.
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Re: 26A genny toast ('94 ST1100)

Postby mbrST1100 » 24 Jun 2013, 21:22

martin_b wrote:Did you expect less?

Actually yes, despite that an ST1100 engine should run ~1 hour on (a good) battery alone (headlights OFF, only pos light on); the way to the MOT station took only ~15 minutes...

After disconnecting the doomed alternator winding, we demonstrated all lights and signals, did test runs on the premises, cranked the engine like 4 times in total and still came home without and trouble/cut outs.
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Re: 26A genny toast ('94 ST1100)

Postby mbrST1100 » 26 Jun 2013, 19:52

So, new genny stator was delivered today (my elderly lady neighbor always has to serve as drop off station for those courier drivers... :roll: ).
Will see if I find time to install it this w/e...

One faux pass: I was convince that the O-ring is not included and ordered one by P/N; once opening the packing I found that an O-ring is included with the stator...
Odd though: the one included with the genny winding is plain black rubber, the one I'd ordered by P/N is made of some gray compound... which one is better/more reliable?
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Re: 26A genny toast ('94 ST1100)

Postby Andi Archer » 26 Jun 2013, 20:07

Sens the genny and O rings to me and Ill let you know :D :lol:
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Postby mbrST1100 » 30 Jun 2013, 10:12

Flat bedded the rig to my friend's place, up on the bike platform and did the stator swap in a little over 2,5 hours 8-)

Oil must not be drained, as the sump/oil pan is deep enough to hold it, tank and swing arm need to be pulled though...
Pulling the old stator off is quite easy, align the new one and carefully pull it over the new O-ring by gentle tighten the 3 bolts in sequence till fully seated.
I used silicone grease on the O-ring, which proved to work flawless as usual, but I guess that some thick paste like marine grease would serve well too.
One should however use some 'adhesive' grease, so the O-ring sticks on its dedicated groove/step on the rotor casing, something liquid like engine oil won't do.

Checked all the mains electrics, no other faults to be found, she fired right up, on choke thus idle of ~2000rpm the voltmeter instantly popped to >14V... TADAAHHH... :D

It also shows how essential proper idle setting is, at ~1000-1100rpm you'll see well over 12V in the grid, if the tick over drops below 1000rpm the voltage drops significantly lower.
So not only the oil pressure suffers, also the electrical system is at risk if at like 800~900rpm while waiting at a red light (as some 'fuel savers' claim to have set their idle to...)

While cleaning the removed swing arm, some trickle from the inside got audible ;)
Banging on the (bottom) outside with the handle of a screwdriver no structural weakness did reveal, but I'm definitely going to replace it during the next service (a spare one is resting in my stash since a couple of years now...).

GF helped me loading the ST onto the trailer, at my friend's place he lent a hand for getting her down and up again, but unloading it alone back home turned to a bit of a task ;)
How does one balance the bike while undoing the (6) tie downs? Its a pure motorcycle trailer, thus only 3 rails for placing the wheels in as ground, and the ST's side stand wouldn't reach to the portside one...
I then attached a long tie to the RHS passenger rail, holding the bike forward, whilst slightly angled to the left while removing all other belts, mounted the trailer and erected the bike to unleash the 'securing line.
And then, stepping from one rail and cross member to the other, pulling the ST backwards... the 'special moment' arises when you have to step down on the ground behind the trailer with the rear wheel on the ramp while the front wheel is still on the bed :lol:
Some spectators gathered, but of course no one offering a hand, maintaining the typical ignorance of these days...

Only hypotheses can be formed about the reasons for the alternator failure, besides the HondaLine stereo by Pioneer and heated handles no other massive consumers had been installed by the PO.
The bike was grounded in storage for like 2 years before I got my hands on it, so maybe condensate had formed in the oil, causing corrosion; change of oil quality/brand can be excluded as cause, as the bike was always operated on BelRay full synth.
The stator must have been replaced once some when in the past, as there were traces of (ham fisted!!) previous access/work noticeable, but no debris/foreign objects or mechanical damage was found inside the old stator...

Well, its fixed now, last issue is to chase down a small flaw on the Sony stereo and to wash that rig, then the '94 ST totally ready for duty again 8-)
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Re: 26A genny toast ('94 ST1100)

Postby Pieter Huizinga » 30 Jun 2013, 13:09

:beer2: Good for you! Congrats!
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Re: 26A genny toast ('94 ST1100)

Postby mbrST1100 » 30 Jun 2013, 13:39

Yes, and that 'grey' O-ring was only an optical illusion, caused by the white backside of the genuine Honda plastic back it was wrapped in :lol:
I still used the one I'd ordered by P/N, as there slight chances of an improved design/rubber compound.

Once the laundry is done I'll go down and check on that Sony... and if I'm bored I might take some pics of that bike too :P
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