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ATGATT reminder

Postby Keith Legge » 17 Jan 2013, 10:48

Can't have too many reminders on this subject copied over from OzSTOC.


Happy Newyear to all.
No one will have seen me on a FarRide or any other ride nor have i been active on any forum's the reason A very bad crash.
The rason i want to mention this is reffering to saftey gear .
There is only one reason Iam able to talk about this is because of the gear i always wore nomatter if going 2k's or 1200k's.

So what happened,I was riding home from work a 35k trip on tonkin hwy traffic at one point was at a total stop and having seen a rider killed splitting traffic i just wont do it.Well i decided to take Kewdale rd and go the back way home. I had just turned onto kewdale road traffic heavy but moving about 55-60 in a 70 zone. Out of nowhere a car shot out from my left across in front of me and stopped ? . This was probably 15-20mtr's in fronrt of me so at 60klm hr i was there before could react. Next thing i know i am lying in middle of road and every thing was extreemly painful,I knew that i was in serious trouble. I had been wearing a 3/4 rst jacket with shoulder elbow and back protection as well under this was an ICON body armour vest with chest and back protection. Plus proper bike boots and fullface helmet. The doc adv that if i had not been wearing this gear death was only option.
The next 48 hrs is a blur but the result was a open book fracture of the pelvis with a 5cm split adomanal wall seperation burst ateries and a few other internal injuries,the left for arm was smashed the thin bone clear brake the thicker bone just shattered bits to small to evev pin or screw. So now i have several plate's holding me together. I also have several verabre fracture c1 & t1 also not good but not paralized.
I spent 4 weeks lying on back looking at a spot on the ceiling,every body function done by tubes or othe invasive means which i do not want to revisit.This all happened 16th October I walked again for the first time after on Dec 6th. I am just Starting back at work only part time as the pain is to great but im a stuborn bastered. The end result I may never have the body power to ride a normal bike for several years,I plan to look at a trike in about 2 years. The reason is I beleive if you can not pick up a bike lying on it's side you do not ride it.Anyway thats my personal rule.
THE MESSAGE HERE NO MATTER HOW CAREFULL OR HOW GOOD YOU ARE IT CAN HAPPEN.
SO TO SAVE YOUR SELF FROM EITHER DYING OR LYING IN HOSPITAL LOOKING A THE FACES OF THOSE YOU LOVE LOOKING DOWN ON YOU AND
ASKING WILL YOU LIVE AND HOW?
WEAR FULL PROTECTIVE GEAR ITS CHEAPER THAN YOU THINK.

Regards Tom please ride safe and enjoy.
ps my motto used to be ( there are no bad rides some just better than others) that was wrong.
THat was a bad ride.
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Re: ATGATT reminder

Postby Keith Legge » 28 Jan 2013, 10:56

NOT PLEASANT viewing this one flashing lights siren going flouro vest white bike and he still got hit?


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Re: ATGATT reminder

Postby Cammy ST11 » 28 Jan 2013, 12:24

Seen that clip before. As an ex job rider, WTF was he doing stopped on the motorway??? Stay on the chevrons till the last minute, there was no need for him to have been out there. ATGATT - closer to the Darwin award I'm afraid.
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Re: ATGATT reminder

Postby Keith Legge » 28 Jan 2013, 12:58

I don't know police procedure Cammy it does seem strange to me to stop in the middle of the road.

What was the guy that hit him doing not watching the road thats for sure? :roll:
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Re: ATGATT reminder

Postby mbrST1100 » 28 Jan 2013, 13:26

AFAIK origins the vid above from the Netherlands, Pieter should know more on it...

The practice of the MC-LEO is one thing, but check that total unresponsive behaivor (typical paralyzed zombie like agony) of them 3 cars behind the truck there, (beginning with that yellow seat) plus the nearly zero safety distance between the cars...

Already when the bike appeared on the chevron, the silver combi and that blue compact did not react at all... that strobes must have been visible way ahead between the few tree trunks there...

That is so typical, them folks act totally unconcerned as if what happens outside their windows is just like having the TV on... rubbernecks and that...
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Re: ATGATT reminder

Postby Pieter Huizinga » 28 Jan 2013, 14:04

Yup, that's on the A7, up north-east here. He's attempting to clear the right-hand lane for the ambulance which must have carried an emergency patient.
It's more or less standard operating procedure here for police to place their vehicle on the lane they wish to clear of oncoming vehicles.
Martin is absolutely right, the oncoming drivers were probably texting, drinking coffee, shaving, playing with their advanced car menu, whatever. Anything but paying attention to the road ahead. But what's new... :banghead:
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Re: ATGATT reminder

Postby alans1100 » 28 Jan 2013, 14:17

why would an ambo need a police escort as they have their own lights and sirens?
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Re: ATGATT reminder

Postby mbrST1100 » 28 Jan 2013, 14:52

Pieter Huizinga wrote:It's more or less standard operating procedure here for police to place their vehicle on the lane they wish to clear of oncoming vehicles.

Well, even worse when the folks there are actually supposed to be used to this...
...the oncoming drivers were probably texting, drinking coffee, shaving, playing with their advanced car menu, whatever...

This pestilence named ignorance spreads like a desease in the recent years... and the authorities are completely inactive to not disturb tranquility within their mooing voting-herds...

alans1100 wrote:why would an ambo need a police escort as they have their own lights and sirens?

Well, appearently is one EMT vehicle with billboard lights and surround-sond not enough...

Observed similar procedures in Spain.
Large busy intersection, suddenly a motorcycle cop burst right in, stopps in the middle, streched left arm as signal, everything shreeks to halt, in the very next second an ambulance guns through with extreme speed, cop kicks gear in and whacks it... the whole act took like 3 or 5 seconds...

In Italy or France vehicles literally 'fly' off to give way, small urban 2-lane alley, suddenly a two-tone cries out, within fractions of a second all vehicles zap to the sides, open a 3rd lane in the middle, that EMT driver doesn't slow down a bit...

Central Europe?? Nah!
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I back up back into my lane, co-driver stares at me... what?!... what have you done?... giving way to an ambulance??... you can't do such. Look how the cab driver next to us stares in disbelieve...
Like I would give a rats ass what a cabby thinks... :roll:

They'd passed a law about opening an 'emergency lane' in case of queues on motorways last year... unf_F_believeable what them folks are pulling out there, not grasping that totally simple concept... :banghead:
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Re: ATGATT reminder

Postby Pieter Huizinga » 28 Jan 2013, 15:57

alans1100 wrote:why would an ambo need a police escort as they have their own lights and sirens?

As Martin explains, they are there to clear the way for the ambulance in order for it to be able to keep its speed as high as possible. Also through the city. The escort clears intersections, the ambulance passes and they overtake it to go to the next one on the route. Often there are more than two police cars and/or motorbikes involved. The emergency transport also gets mentioned on the radio in traffic information. "High speed emergency transport on the way to such and so hospital, please give it ample room."

I see it pass by my flat in Rotterdam quite often, as I live next to one of the main inroads, on the way to at least three hospitals.

But, it's only done when seconds count. The one time I was taken to hospital in an ambulance, I unfortunately did not have the police escort. :?

The latest fashion is that the emergency transports are done by an ambulance helicopter. That will close the motorway off for hours, to allow it to land as close to the accident as possible.
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Re: ATGATT reminder

Postby alans1100 » 28 Jan 2013, 16:17

Pieter Huizinga wrote:
alans1100 wrote:why would an ambo need a police escort as they have their own lights and sirens?

As Martin explains, they are there to clear the way for the ambulance in order for it to be able to keep its speed as high as possible. Also through the city. The escort clears intersections, the ambulance passes and they overtake it to go to the next one on the route. Often there are more than two police cars and/or motorbikes involved. The emergency transport also gets mentioned on the radio in traffic information. "High speed emergency transport on the way to such and so hospital, please give it ample room."

I see it pass by my flat in Rotterdam quite often, as I live next to one of the main inroads, on the way to at least three hospitals.

But, it's only done when seconds count. The one time I was taken to hospital in an ambulance, I unfortunately did not have the police escort. :?

The latest fashion is that the emergency transports are done by an ambulance helicopter. That will close the motorway off for hours, to allow it to land as close to the accident as possible.


Just curious as fire and ambulance services out here are quite capable of clearing traffic them selves and will even travel up opposing traffic lanes if traffic can't clear at lights. There is talk of implementing traffic light control from emergency vehicles so that all traffic is stopped......but talk is one thing, action is another.

Helicopters will often fly critical country patients but they will land beside the road. Some sections of our remote sealed roads double as landing strips for the Flying Doctor emergencies

South Australia a few years back implemted a 25 and 40kph speed limits past an emergency vehicle if the lights were activated at an incident.
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