Too fast to be seen?

For old times' sake, some educational info for everyone who needs more control over his/her bike.

Re: Too fast to be seen?

Postby cammy_moir » 25 Oct 2014, 20:43

David. In the UK highbeams are illegal for constant use. I do not believe that they would have helped this or any other rider. A dipped beam allows you to be seen and for others to be able to judge time/distance/speed. High beam washes out everything. As an ex bike cop (as are a couple of others on here) I can testify that no amount of light or hi-viz will protect you. Training gives you a bit of insight. This rider was careless approaching the junction at such speed.
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Re: Too fast to be seen?

Postby mbrST1100 » 26 Oct 2014, 19:51

David W wrote:High beams on may be illegal, but I do not see them as being a hazard to other road users on a sunny day.

Till the moment you're the one crashing cause dazzled and blinded by another driver with similar attitude...
And as its "custom" across the pond you're then probably the first lawyering up to sue the crap out of that offender...

And aren't it your nanny-state we all have to "thank" for questionable things like 3rd brake-light and DRLs... :roll:

cammy_moir wrote:A dipped beam allows you to be seen and for others to be able to judge time/distance/speed. High beam washes out everything. As an ex bike cop (as are a couple of others on here) I can testify that no amount of light or hi-viz will protect you. Training gives you a bit of insight. This rider was careless approaching the junction at such speed.

+1...
The Road Traffic Act specifies that automotive operators always have to "drive by sight" and must adapt their speed according to the view-distance to the next possible hazard...

Its tragic, but the fella asked for it...
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Re: Too fast to be seen?

Postby candriver » 09 Nov 2014, 08:30

Gareth R wrote:See here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-29064891
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/a47_death_c ... _1_3523497

The turn across lane nightmare for all bikers; but too fast for the situation and driver not looking/ seeing to stand any chance of avoiding such an accident.

220ft 2.5secs @ 60mph
355ft 2.5secs @ 97mph
135ft further covered.

135ft @ 60mph = approx. 1.5secs. Car pulling out at 10mph = 15ft per second and the car was only approx. 14ft long......................

Whatever the facts, the family have lost a loved one.

G.

http://www.metric-conversions.org/ for our European cousins


Here are the converted measurements for the European and Canadian folks (in Canada we are using km/h instead of mph):

67.1 meters 2.5secs @ 96.6 km/h
108.2 meters 2.5secs @ 156.1 km/h
41.1 meters further covered.

41.1 meters @ 96.6 km/h = approx. 1.5secs. Car pulling out at 16.1 km/h = 4.6 meters per second and the car was only approx. 4.3 meters long......................

ft to m: http://metric-calculator.com/converter_ft_to_m.htm
mph to km/h: http://calculator-converter.com/convert ... ulator.php

156.1 km/h - we can't drive this in Ontario, the police will stop you for sure
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Re: Too fast to be seen?

Postby David W » 14 Dec 2014, 00:46

This is not of great importance here, but I ran across this deceased chap's name in an old book referring to a different David Holmes:

The Holmes Velocettes: Developed by Nottingham ordinance engineer David Holmes, the 250 and 350 Velos embarrassed riders of bigger bikes by beating opposition up to 650 cc in size!

The book: Best of British Bikes, circa 1990, printed in GB.
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