Bit more practice needed.

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Bit more practice needed.

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Re: Bit more practice needed.

Postby Andi Archer » 04 May 2013, 17:45

I thought the first two were careless till I saw the last one he didnt even attempt to avoid the cyclists and as for braking it seemed totally amiss.

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Re: Bit more practice needed.

Postby Keith Legge » 04 May 2013, 17:53

Think he got target fixation :(
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Re: Bit more practice needed.

Postby mbrST1100 » 04 May 2013, 18:10

Keith Legge wrote:

More: a bit less show off needed...

Andi Archer wrote:I thought the first two were careless till I saw the last one he didnt even attempt to avoid the cyclists and as for braking it seemed totally amiss.

The first two simply pushed it too hard, underestimating the risk of tires loosing traction...
Loose dirt aside the road is always an alarm signal for possibly dusty, thus less friction road surface...

On the last incident it seems that the foot dragging/contacting the tarmac totally stunned the rider, leading to upright the bike, consequentially running wide... the rest is an obvious case of simple target fixation in which he simply forgot to use the steering and the brakes ...
Not only was there still way sufficient space avail to lean the bike again and clear the cyclists, they were already clearly visible from the turn entrance below, enough time & road avail to reduce speed and adapt the line, so where was he looking??
What if one of those cyclists would have tumbled out into the center of the lane? What if a car is parked there and pulls out?
Such and others is to considerate already at the entrance of the turn, where you aim the view to its crest...

As in most accidents an accumulation of several errors...
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Re: Bit more practice needed.

Postby Andi Archer » 04 May 2013, 18:30

I thought the first one had struck the tarmac with possibly the foot peg or even the side of his foot due to the extreme lean angle, then he tried to compensate but over did it and the rest was history
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Postby mbrST1100 » 04 May 2013, 18:45

Andi Archer wrote:I thought the first one had struck the tarmac with possibly the foot peg or even the side of his foot due to the extreme lean angle...

Didn't see a sudden movement which would indicate ground contact, so I rather assume that he'd opened the throttle a bit too much thus the rear tire lost siding...
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Re: Bit more practice needed.

Postby WJBertrand » 04 May 2013, 22:55

Good ol' squids leap on the part of Mulholland called the snake. Can't figure all the crashes that happen there, been through that bend probably a hundred times and never came close to biffing it. A lot of the crashes there don't even happen at "pushing it" speeds. Witness the guy who took out the bicycles.


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Re: Bit more practice needed.

Postby Keith Legge » 05 May 2013, 09:58

There's something about that bend :?

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Postby Andi Archer » 05 May 2013, 10:37

It comes to something when you not even riding and you get your bike damaged :lol:
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Re: Bit more practice needed.

Postby mbrST1100 » 05 May 2013, 12:03

Keith Legge wrote:There's something about that bend :?

Probably just too much traffic and weekend warriors literally polishing off the tarmac there...

We've the same issue on some popular, twisty roads where all the traffic simply smoothens the tarmac in them hairpins down to the coefficient of a skating rink... already tricky when dry, but when wet you couldn't even walk there...
As long as only bikes go down the authorities won't react at all, place [motorcycle only] speed limits or even a ban on motorcycles for the whole route, but once the first cars wash out, they'll send crews milling those 'runway grooves' into the surface...

But places like this are the reason I like them Exedras and in general the ST1100 geometrics so much... yes, Exedras will slide out too, but the drift happens soft, gently and simultaneously on front and rear, so easy controllable, just close the throttle a bit and this well balanced bike catches just as soft again as them Exedra had 'alarmed' you.
In all those years, miles, kilometers I only had two occasions I'd faced slow speed low siders in such conditions, once on Dunlop D205, the second on their darn D103; both on dry road... compared to nil incidents on those numberless sets of G547/548's I've worn down in all kinds of weather... go figure...
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